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How would you like America to End?

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How would you like America to end?

Poll closed Nov 8, 2016.
  1. WW3

    23.1%
  2. Economic Collapse

    15.4%
  3. Civil War

    23.1%
  4. Nation-Wide Solar Flare

    15.4%
  5. I don't want it to end.

    23.1%
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    Ulysses88
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    Those of you who have been reading/watching alternative news knows that America has gone to shit. Lying politicians, rigged elections, scandals, economic failure, cover-ups, Russia about to declare war, and loads more of insanity following through. As we wake up, we know this has been happening right under our noses for YEARS. I'm frankly getting pissed that no one is taking a stance as these psychopaths we call "leaders" and "governors" fondle away at our freedoms. It's just quite pathetic how "Government" really is when you look up the definition and look back at the world and America itself. How did even begin? How did we even get here? Did some group of people decide herding us was ok? I do not understand how corrupt unempathetic minds work, they are so alien to me. Then again, the best possible theory would be that they are not human by nature. Same goes for those outside of America.

    I've looked at every certain way that America will finally become "truly free" or collapse onto its own weight. I'm not the one to be concerned with or care about politics, but its becoming so worse that it becomes harder to ignore, draining me dry by the second. I would just like to ask, how would you like this country to end? Its demise is inevitable and will happen one way or another, and I've seen few beg for its suicide.

    I know that probably most of you aren't in the US, but I just think this needs to be said. This is also a thread i'm creating to help alleviate myself. Good for emotional release lol.

    (P.S. I don't mean any offense.)
     
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    Mammon

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    I personally want to watch the world burn. Not just America. There is not one country on this planet that isn't corrupt in some way or another.

    The seven deadly sins aren't deadly because of what they are. Indivually not one is really all that bad. In moderations all are healthy for ones beings.

    The reason they are deadly is because they are core traits of humans. If left unchecked or indulged too often or too much they will corrupt a mundane man. They are deadly not because they are sins. But because the sins are inherently human.

    Humans are not a good species. Indivually they can be. As a whole humanity is a plague. A virus. A parasite.

    America should not be the only country to be wiped out. This whole world needs to be purged. I could spend hours listing off what is wrong with the world and how we got to where we are but at its core it can all be summed up as humans are inherently corrupt by nature. They are not and can never be pure.

    Although because the question asks how America should be wiped out. I personally think a civil war would be the most entertaining. Not the most effective but the most entertaining.

    And to those of you who think that if we reform the government or if we redo the constitution etc we can fix America etc. I will say what i say to everyone.

    Ok. Give me a game plan.

    Write a new constitution and laws that cover everything in a way that corruption can't occur.

    Ok incite anarchy. Then what you gunna do after you remove the government?

    Ok tell me how your gunna fix the government. Don't just tell me that we need to remove corrupt politicians. Who you gunna replace em with? What you gunna replace our laws with?

    Talk is cheap and worthless. Actions speak volumes. I've yet to see a course of action that is both feasible and executable.

    It's all great to say what. But go and think about how.

    Anyone with half a brain and a 1/4 an ear can see what's wrong with the country. But not even the worlds most brilliant have found a way to fix everything in a way that works reasonably.

    The world needs to be purged. I will gladly burn alive so long as the rest of this planet goes with me.
     
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    Is this "America" you talking 'bout being just the USA, or all of America?'Cause we have three portions of America(North, Central and South) if you've forgotten.
     
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    "Fairly easy to fix humans", that could only be a possibility if there was few humans on Earth.But with the numbers we have now, you wouldn't be able to do it.Some problems are deeply rooted, or old enough that they've branched out through history, meaning that you would need to go back in time in order to fix most of 'em.
    The trouble with humans isn't something "of now", but something that began a long time ago, a "snowball effect" of sorts.
     
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    I'm a firm believer that we are products of our environment. It's psychological, not spiritual. I just feel bad for people who would see humanity destroyed.
     
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    Loaded title is loaded.

    This whole thread's full of blanket statements each one vague and hallow. The stuff that people think sounds deep but actually ain't.

    Is our country perfect? Hell naw. I just think it's hilarious that those with the safety and wealth to access the internet are calling for the terrible things listed in the vote poll. This stuff doesn't make you guys look like intellectuals; rather you appear as warmongers and um-empathetic ones at that (if that's a word).

    If you truly understood the impacts and costs of war and economic collapse you wouldn't wish these things to happen as casually as you do now.
     
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    Zerachiel
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    OEC type stuff yo, I don't want it to end. I'm content with america, of course the whole election thing is making people thing that america is going down the shithole. But eh. If those that live in america wanted it to come to an end they'd quickly regret it when ill things started happening to them and those they care about. Everyone who lives in america knows deep down they don't want it to end lol. I know I am generalizing but come on be serious here.
     
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    I don't wish for mass extinctions or murders or war or bombings- but it is a sad fact that not all people agree with this. I can condemn beheadings, drownings, child abuse, pornography, murder, torture, mass shootings, etc all I want, but it is a fact that there are people alive today who have opposing opinions on any and all of those topics.

    Economics:
    The United States of America are suffering from a monster of their own creation. The economy is build upon Capitalism, which is a flawed system in and of itself. It allows people to work from the ground up, fosters trade and provides incentive to create and innovate. This same system however encourages fooling the prospective buyers- giving us false views of what is necessary to sustain life and what is not. An excellent example of this is A/C, which is a great resource that saves the lives of thousands from heatstroke, etc etc... but is largely useless in the temperate zones of the country. A healthy person can be perfectly comfortable with just a fan on a hot day- you might say, "But if we CAN be comfortable, we should right?" I would point out that people often pay upwards of $300 a month for air conditioning- $3600 dollars a year, if nothing goes wrong. That is just one 'convenience' that we pay for, and the costs build up over time.

    This is why other countries sometimes look on us as unnecessarily lavish and spoiled- but it is also our own poison. In our quest for more, America has slowly turned over to what we are currently. Our economy is ripping apart not because of a lack of resources- but a lack of money. Anyone who has taken even highschool level economics should look at that math with some confusion.

    My father noticed something that might hint towards the reason why though. He works as the head of a foundry- a plant that pours metal for car parts. In the last few years, he has found problems trying to hire skilled laborers- and it isn't just this field. Throughout this country, there are shortages of blue collar workers- public has turned in favor of careers that offer big cash. For many, there isn't any pull to become an electrician, a plumber, a maintenance engineer, etc etc. There aren't any jobs? Go to a trade school, there are plenty of businesses that would love to have you.

    Government:
    Yet another monster of our own creation. Putting corruption, rigging, etc aside- the system itself was designed for a far less informed society. Way back when our founding fathers created it, it was difficult to inform the people and to educate the to have intelligent responses. It was necessary to have a 'face' for a party- because people could not be expected to be informed, the closest we could come to a country ruled by the people is by having our elected selected by popular vote. This allowed the public to choose people that they trusted- and while it did open the window to corruption (as many history teachers can tell you, before/after the radio many candidates swayed people based on physical appearance alone.) it was as good as they could think of.

    Modernly, the majority of the USA has access to the internet and as a result has access to many diverse and informed opinions on social/political/economical issues- however our political system hasn't adapted to take advantage of mass information. Instead, it parties are encouraged to utilize it to smear opponents and are forced to try to cover corruption with yet more corruption.

    Personally, I think a policy based vote would be far superior to a vote based on individual people. The candidate selected for presidency would be chosen based upon how their views coincided with the public's preferences of policy. This would encourage parties to teach and truly debate their opinions on the public forum, because the only way to install their candidate into office would be to sway the people in favor of their policies. This would create a much more pure political atmosphere than what we have currently and would hopefully force the presidency to reflect the will of the people. (Though this isn't my entire view on it, I feel like it is the most applicable part of my views on the topic.)

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    What is interesting is that these two issues share a common trait- they are old systems that have grown outdated. Just like any computer program that has more and more unfamiliar variables thrown into its algorithms, eventually they stop functioning properly. We need a rework of our existing programs and systems that takes into account these modern issues and resources that didn't exist in the past.

    The reason I voted for solar flares? It would force the country back to a time where these systems used to work. A lot of people would die- hospitals would fail, riots would break out due to a lack of transportation between food sources and cities, etc- but after the dust settled, things would go back to normal..... for a while.
     
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    Actually, all systems are flawed, but not 'cause of what they are, but 'cause the ones using 'em are humans.Most people want power, and not matter what system it is, they always find a way of trying to hoard more power to themselves.
    Take away the ability to have power over others, and you would find that any system would work.

    And yes, most people nowadays want to have jobs that pay high, that's why we have more lawyers and doctors, instead of a blacksmith or a carpenter.Even those that work in the areas of technology are making more money than an artisan that is talented in his/her craft.
    EDIT:And as it is with governments, the religions are also "outdated", and this is a issue with the major religions, 'cause people of nowadays want to use the writtings of the old in order to control others, justify their prejudice and give weak "good" answers as to why some issues stays/should stay the way they are.
     
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    World war 3 wouldnt get rid of the government, it would get rid of innocent lives.

    But still nice to see comments not of the cliche destroy humanity boohoo wannabe misathropic viariety to be honest, but half the comments probably are just doing what we all can do is just assume humanity will turn out a certain way after all this and no real certainity besides the common idea that change comes after destruction.
     
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    I was referring to the north. To myself personally there's nothing to talk about the south since it already had its downfall. I mean look at venezuela for example.
     
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    So, you're picking and choosing? It's debatable whether there's anything "extrasensory" about empathy but most people agree it's a basic ability most humans have. Almost like a passive thing. Like people cringing at people getting hurt in videos or crying during movies. I don't see how one can claim to be empathic for some people and not for others.

    Let me put it another way. Say you wake up in the middle of nowhere with nothing. Are you going to use all your energy looking for a computer? I doubt it. Most people will look for water, food, and shelter in that exact order before they even think of the internet. When I say wealth I don't just mean a duck swimming in a vault of gold coins: I refer to all material wealth.

    The internet is a luxury and ,like all luxuries, appears is places that have their basic needs satisfied first. The fact that you can type here implies to me you have food and water on demand (by choice), and shelter to some degree. I consider people who hold these things to be wealthy given that many people are missing either some of these or all of them. Although I myself don't have tons of money, I do have these basic needs met and ,as such, consider myself wealthy as well. Hope this clears it up.

    If you do not have these things then you have my apology for being too presumptuous.
     
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    History does repeat itself, only minor differences being the main players, and humans don't live long enough to learn or just don't pay attention that they're making the same mistakes.
    The world could get destroyed and after a time of re-construction and etc, humanity would go back to what it was.

    :expressionless: Yeah, WE know that the South America HAD it's downfall.
    I just don't get why anyone from the USA is called "american", 'cause technically everyone from a country in one of the Americas should be called it as well.
     
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    Maybe so, but it's still an empty assumption that such will happen after destruction, kind of ironic in my opinion those wanting destruction are the least likely to survive said destruction. I know I am least likely to.
     
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    Unless somehow we all get our 'kin/true/spiritual bodies :p
    But i do find it interesting, specially of those that act like "Doom Preachers", that while they talk 'bout destruction this and that, kill everyone...they think that somehow they'll all be fine and keep it cool during this.Or that they'll survive and join a "walking dead badass" group.

    ps:Now i'm thinking of a monster wearing a preacher's clothes in a game of Doom xD
     
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    That wouldnt increase their chances of survival still. But yeah that's what we call OEC kids man :p
     
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    Read the last section of my post.

    Talk is cheap buddy. I've heard the arguements before. Give me a feasibly executable game plan.

    And replace them with who?

    Thats because eveyone below america is Mexican and everyone above America is Canadian.

    Ignorance and country wide superiority complex for the win.

    Silence your lies Mexican. :p
     
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    What should we be called? Going by the norm, our name should generally be derived from the name of our country; "Mexicans, Canadians, British, Swiss, Chinese, etc"

    The full name of the USA is the United States of America. There really isn't another name that works.

    We could do something like mexico...; United Mexican States (which refers to its capital, which derived ITS name from the natives)

    Going on that... we could be the United predominatelyanglosaxonbutnotforlong States of America?
     
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    That's why you GRINGOS are SO popular outside the USA... -.-
    Is this what they call "american exceptionalism"?

    Yankees?Not our fault your country decided to use a word that means an entire continent :p
     
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    United states of americaners.

    Or

    Those Americans above the those other Americans that are below the eskimo americans.
     
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