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What does it mean to be human?

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    So,
    I'm currently working on my second book and would like some opinions on the first chapter. This is my spin on what I believe it means to be human.

    Chapter 1

    What does it mean to be human?

    What does it mean to be human? What does it mean to be a part of a collective? We might as well be asking what does it mean to have a soul; what does it mean to live?

    Being a part of a collective gives us a unique and delicate job; each one being a supportive structure, holding the collective upright in place. If a structure was to be removed, the collective would collapse and cease. Our job is just as unique as we are; just as complex, just as intricate. Reality being entangled from the inadequate to the substantial gives us endless opportunities to observe the reflection of one’s essence; of one’s core.

    The word delicacy implies that any interaction with said object could conclude in the disfiguration of this object, meaning; our unique and intricate job may only be performed during a specific state of mind and body in a specific way; using a specific method.

    Observation and analysis of arising matters is the only way to understand what we need to know. Looking to nature, we can see a reflection ourselves, of our collective. Every aspect of nature upholds the collective by following the path of least resistance. A river will only flow down the easiest route. A droplet of water will only fall off the flattest path in a leaf. A gust of wind will recoil through the gaps in the mountain peaks. An oak tree will only grow in ideal conditions. Why does nature flow down the easiest route? Why not resist the natural gradient like humans? Perhaps it is because nature is not self aware, but how can we say this if we ourselves still ask the question of being self aware? If acting in a manner that will uphold the collective in the most efficient manner is not an example of self awareness, what is?

    An organism has a built in defence system. This defence system may act on many triggers; when a person is resisting the gradient, not performing joyful actions, their natural defence mechanism will trigger. In this case, the effect is a longing to for fill a lost aching emptiness. The body has organelles designed to decay and rid of a cancerous or infected cell. The Earth’s defence mechanism will create numerous infections and diseases, some incurable with modern medicines, once the population of any species has risen to extreme numbers. Learning to pay attention to these happenings may lead way for analysis of the trigger, of the problem.

    Every aspect of reality has a built in defence mechanism; does this not qualify as self awareness? If nature has developed a defence for every possible attack; if nature can destroy a happening to prolong its longevity, is it not self aware? Thus, is reality not self aware?

    Recognition of threat follows a pattern, observation being the first step. For recognition of anything, there needs to be a thing, and something for the thing to move relative to; after all, you can’t move if there is nothing to move from. Once observation has taken place, there must be recognition through the arising of thought. Contrast and comparison is the building block of reality; reality cannot exist without the observer. From comparison we hold the ability to develop thought into ideas. Ideas leading to tests; tests to experience and experience to wisdom. This being a simplified method of the process to recognition of threat; does it not make sense? Is reality not the wisest happening of all? Is it mankind’s place to chase the idea of power? What do we have power over if reality has a natural defence for all synthetic attack we may produce?

    Mankind, as a collective, spends its valuable time objectifying reality, extracting metals from the earth to synthesise into bullets that will rip through the hearts of every man we do not like. Until mankind has been wiped out, there will be an endless production of humans to replace those who were subject to the hatred of another. Hatred and anger may only arise from our own experiences. We do not hate someone for what they have done, but for what we have not done. So go ahead mankind, chase your tail.

    Constantly, mankind is looking away from the issue at hand. In our lives, we look for money. In social groups, we look for acceptance. In the new age community, we look for a better place. In every aspect of our lives, we are constantly looking for distraction to the point where it no longer becomes a conscious decision. It’s as if we’re trying to improve the quality of life on Mars while Earth is dying; it makes no sense. Swinging wildly in the dark, it is pointless. The answer to this issue is not just to say, “Okay, let’s stop looking in the wrong places!” The only way to deal with this issue is to firstly accept what we are doing. Acceptance will lead to improvement; realisation. From here, we can take it day by day; moment by moment. It is very easy to just claim that for the rest of your life you will begin looking at the issues at hand; but that is too big of a commitment for us humans. Just with anything, a diet, a workout plan, daily prayers, we must take it one day at a time; it makes it easier to deal with. After all, your entire life doesn’t play out in a moment; you don’t blink while simultaneously getting married, having a baby, and then dying. Taking your life how it comes is an important lesson we can all learn from.

    When are we humans? In past memories? In future thoughts? Neither of which are actually happening; simply a shadow of what has happened or a glisten of what may happen. The only time we are actually human is in the eternal moment; in the NOW. So why do we spend the only chance we have to be human searching for a shadow or a light? Why give up the only time we have to experience this life to only look at what may be. This is looking at the issue first hand.

    Is it fair to say that being human is all about BEING human? Not objectifying, not resisting the natural flow, not looking elsewhere, but actually harnessing the moment and existing in the only time where we can be human. Learning to express the essence of yourself and performing your job, upholding the collective to the best of your ability.
     
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    Very insightful!
     
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    you read that fast :p
     
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    I'll make some points in here:

    -I don't know if the "idea of the collective" works that well.Nowadays people seems to be more and more individual, nor to say that power(politicial and financial) are more centralized in certain people so technically speaking, if one working in a "lowly position" were to loose it's function, nothing would happen to the collective.But if someone of status or power were to loose it's function, then you could've expect a crysis.

    -The rivers actually flowed through a rough route, until the erosion by the time, wind and water turned their path into an easy one(this is my opinion).They started small and had to "flow" through a lot of difficulties, but at the end they settled into a normal rythim and became great rivers some of 'em.Could this be linked to conquering your place through hardships?
    So, nature doesn't flow through the easiest route.Nature makes it's own routes and then it stays like this, until the next process of transformation which will change nature's path once again.

    -"Until mankind has been wiped out" better take care of how you phrase it.Some people with "altered states of mind" or some people with homicidal tendencies might use this as an excuse for doing what they want to do, which is killing other people.Sometimes killers are born not due to their nature, nor due to their nurture, but 'cause of ideas and ideals.

    -I think mankind will only change once they reach a pinnacle in technology, or some "global awakening" event takes place.For example, the apparition of people with "supernatural power".Otherwise you better wait until the god/dess(s/ess) of a religion decides to let loose the apocalipse.

    -Your title is "What does it mean to be human", but honestly only some parts of the text seems to deal with this, the majority of it seems more like "new age talking" and a pseudo-rant 'bout humanity in general.

    End of points.
     
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    Your overthinking this in my opinion.

    What does it mean to walk? To piss? to breath?

    What is the point in coming up with overly complicated answers, explanations, and so forth?
    buddha quotes (open)
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    Thanks for your opinions, however, I must say that you're wrong about nature not flowing through the easiest route. Sure a river will corrode rock and make its own path, but it will only travel the easiest route while doing so. Say we have a new lake rising from under the earth, it's only going to pop up on the surface where there is least resistance, it is only going to flow where there is least resistance, that's why we do't see any streams travelling up the mountain or a river suddenly turning off course to flow diagonally.
     
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    Well, this isn't entirely true. It is true for humans because we're doing things a certain way, but there could have been another species do things a different way and get different results.The reason it appears that the Earth defends itself against a large amount of humans is because we're not being efficient.

    Two main reasons this happens, both relate to climate change:
    • Vectors for disease are often insects who like warmer climates. The warmer Earth gets the bigger their range for spreading illness
      • This process might lead to the creation of new diseases but not crazy antibiotic resistant ones. That's #2
    • Meat demand has increased in the population leading to increased meat production. It's best to raise livestock on flat and fertile land aaaand it just so happens that forests and rainforests (Brazil, and China to give two examples) have just that.
      • Because we have so many animals together we have to give them antibiotics to stop them from catching disease. Ironically, this leads to the improper use of antibiotics leading to some bacteria surviving the process and becoming immune. These new bacteria are the source of all the new "incurable" stuff
    TL;DR
    If another species or even humans were doing things different with the same number of people or even more there wouldn't necessarily be more disease and infection.

    Bonus graph for the nation, it's kinda outdated (2012) but the relative demands are similar even though they are now higher.
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    Meat is not the sole reason for bacterials being resistant to antibiotics and other drugs. Improper use is bad sure but more often than not those bacteria are killed the second you stick that slab of meat on the fire. They may be immune to your common antibiotic but they certainly aren't fireproof. It should also be noted that animal antibiotics and human antibiotics are not always the same and not all bacteria that affect aninals can even harm humans.

    Rather an even bigger cause is antibacterial soaps. "Kills 99.99% of germs " yea and what about that remaining .01%? Well that remaining percent adapts mutates and evolves into a strain that is now immune to the antibiotics. And those are the ones you aren't throwing on a grill and far more likely to be the ones that do affect humans seeing as antibacterial soaps are found in every bathroom, hospital, and houshold on this earth and cow farms are found in a few specific geographical reigions and most bacterium dont have the longest life span.

    Take note that it isn't just meat. Its also the fact your washing your hands as ironic as that is
     
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    To the essay itself.

    What does it mean to be human ?

    Idk you don't appear to have addressed this. You talked about paths and nature a lot but not really humanity. Tying it all together is great but if your title doesn't match the essay then your just plain off topic.

    A better titles would be "random insights on how i perceive the current state of the world."

    Theres plenty of philosophys and rants out there already. If your trying to wow an audience you've successfully failed. A first chapter should be about grabbing the reader and luring them in. Not shoving them face first into a pile of THIS IS MY ULTIMATE OPINION ACCEPT IT!!! it makes the reader wanna run away not read more. No matter how insightful it may be. Humans hate being forced to do things and your over here forcing an opinion without factual basis.

    Theres a term for this.

    "You're preaching to the choir and no one else."

    Just my two cents take it or leave it
     
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    col·lec·tive
    kəˈlektiv/
    adjective
    adjective: collective
    1. 1.
      done by people acting as a group.
      "a collective protest"


    Also i don't know what your relating to but i would never use one of these defintions as a descriptive adjective for humans.
     
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    I never claimed it was the only reason I said it was one of several main reasons. Fire, along with other products high in energy might be great at purging life but it doesn't really mean much in this instance. I feel you misunderstand the issue.

    We have a limited amount of antibiotics (ie: we're running out) and it's all linked in chemistry. It's a fact that factory farms have more vectors "bodies" for new antibiotic resistant bacteria to grow. Resistant bacteria aren't just bad for animals it's really bad for people as well. Who cares if you can burn small colonies. The very existence of this stuff is the problem. It can spread to your grill, your utensils, your kitchen, and your skin. Bacteria doesn't have a long life span? With a source of nutrients like organic matter you'd be surprised. The farms might not be where you live but that stuff travels everywhere. They're already on most continents at this point.

    It's not even just meat. We use fertilizer to grow a lot of food on Earth and in a lot of cases it's either animal waste which is high in nutrient for plants or even bits of dead animal to begin with. If the animal had resistant stuff in its body, guess what? Could spread to the crops.

    Finally antibiotics vary in strength. The stuff we give to people and animals is much stronger than handsoap. Something like MRSA isn't likely to be the result of people using antibacterial alcoholic soap too much. It's the misuse of antibiotics and as it turns out the largest consumer of them are farm animals. It might create some kinda of bacteria but it's not the kind that humans really need to be worrying about (comparatively).

    To sum it up:
    Saying soaps are a bigger cause then improper use of drugs in meat production isn't accurate.
     
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    Animals are capable of:
    • Mercy
    • Kindness
    • Understanding
    • Working together
    • Basic thought (pictures an emotions)
    • Raising young
    • Emotion
    • Pain

    Humans on the other hand:
    • Trample over each other whether figuratively or literally. They often do it without realization of care over the fact that they made another one of their species miserable. Though unlike animals they seem to do this over undefinable urges. They are a species that preys on one another far more actively than those that they define and label under the umbrella of the "animal kingdom".
    • Consistently and unnecessarily over complicate things to such an extreme that it often creates more issues than solutions.
    • Capable of creative magnificent "works of art" that appear to numerous aesthetic principles that they themselves "developed".
    • Are capable of going out of their way and performing the mind and merciful acts despite "wasting resources".
    • Needless excessive destruction and murder
    • Egotism
    • Understanding reality beyond the scope of their emotions and their available sense. Breaking everything down in system of "logic" that they have developed.
    • Being more "animal" than human without ever realizing it.
     
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    I honestly don't see how this is discussing humanity as a whole.


    Yall need to stop talking about scientific bullshit. Spirit posted a thread with a question with content that doesn't necessarily involve or address the question how it should be. Now then IDK about everyone but I rather talk about humanity than some lil bacteria that can easily be exterminated with a bit of elbow grease and bleach. If you don't like eating meat and the flesh of other living beings so much. Then by all means go vegan and quit your ceaseless bitching.
     
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    He asked us to voice our opinions of his text. I gave my opinion on one verse and then defended it. It's not for the sake of arguing it's to improve the original text. If the thread was about discussing humanity I'd have done that. :neutral_face:
     
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    We havea limited amount of antibiotics (ie: we're running out)

    False
    Antibiotics can and are usually made in a laboratory using artificially created versions of organic compounds.

    Penicillin was originally and can still be from a blue mold called penicillinum name sound similar? Thats cuz it got the name from the molds scientific name or vice versus i cant remember.

    Misuse of antibiotics does occur and mrsa is the result of normal staff becoming immune to numerous antibiotics because it was exposed to all or at least most of them.

    "It's not even just meat. We use fertilizer to grow a lot of food on Earth and in a lot of cases it's either animal waste which is high in nutrient for plants or even bits of dead animal to begin with. If the animal had resistant stuff in its body, guess what? Could spread to the crops."

    All widely used fertalizers are an artificially created nitrogen based compound mixture and contain no dead animals that were ground up into a pulp. Do check your sources or the bag at your local store FDA regulations make it so it must be labeled as such.

    In brazil idk wth they do but in america this never occurs. They usually use cow and pig poo mixed with some other nitrogen based compounds and made into a liquid spray for convient spreading.

    Saying that the crops will grow this immunity in them is preposterous and a huge stretch and shows how little you actually know about the biology of our farm staples and ecology and agriculture in general.

    Instead of reading a few provegan blogs how about you actually read something with more scientific basis and less propaganda cram.
     
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    His post is as ontopic about humanity as my replies about cowpoo and bacteria are. I'm fine.
     
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    -shrugs-
    Don't see how bovine fecal matter has anything to do with humans other than acting as fertilizer.
     
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    I said this as well in my post.To me, only the very last part seemed to speak 'bout "what does it mean to be human".
     
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    Correction, it will "corrode" every exit until one of 'em falls down, then the water will start going down that path.It's more a matter of "which gives up first" than it being "least resistance".Streams don't travel up the moutains 'cause there is no bronze Saint of the Dragon constellation to do this(got the reference? :smirk:).
     
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    Last post here, don't want to take away from Nathan's post any further since I've already contributed to the thread.

    Let me clarify, we're running out of antibiotics that certain bacteria aren't showing immunity towards. This is a well documented fact.
    Google "drugs of last resort"
    That's just it, use is not uniform or standard. I know very well what's in fertilizers sold in stores and their components. Not everyone in the world uses them and on top of that people cut corners.
    When did I every say this? Bacteria can affix themselves to almost any surface. Plants are no exceptions. It has nothing to do with the plants it's what's on them. We had an outbreak of ecoli here in the U.S a while ago. Spread from manure to lettuce/tomatoes that in turn were placed in holding with other produce and finally distributed to various states.
    Ugh, good ole knowledge claim. You know precisely what I know and have seen right? Though I suppose it's simple to win a discussion when you say the other side doesn't know what they're talking about. No where in my posts did I say you didn't understand science. Assuming what other people know or don't know is not indicative of a wise man or women.

    I don't read blogs and I am not a vegan. Peace :v:
     

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